if u can find them here , its almost impossible to find female rams in kl as they keep all of the females, they rather feed it to a predatory fish than sell it out cause its very easy to breed them. i got it from a friend though but its a gold coin ram. i've never seen a ram with this type of shape and colour. i've seen this colour and not the shape lol. best of luck finding them. well i dont kinda always go jln jln cari lfs. u can try asking this shop in jln pudu, alive aquarium. bring a picture and show him, he might have some leads for these fishes. he can bring in all sorts of fishes cheap or expensive. mostly cheap ones lah (common or exotic)