yeemiau,
thanks,for clear it up .good job.

before i meet this Ipoh fellas.i do confuse between this two fish know as ranchu and chinese ranchu.so i do a check on the japanese web site and found out that the names as ranchu is so complicated.

it was an accident found out that our local ppls hv involved in real japanese ranchu.i was so excited and post about them in this forum.I was shock when one of the member p.m me and eventually join us as families.Also meet them here in pj.when they kindly explain the true fact about the technic of grooming ranchu, then it comes in my mind that i was totally wrong in grooming goldfish for so long even in breeding them.All those knowledge on book and given by some ppls was not enough and some of them given me wrong info.

Now i hv2 start from bottom line again regarding on knowledge on breeding goldfish specially on our own butterfly tail.Now i want to start breeding our butterfly tail using japanese style on breeding and grooming the fish.Here i really hope that i can successfully grooming our butterfly tail just like grooming tosakin and keep them in tosakin bowl.hope for the best .cheers.

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