By the way. Thanks for the pair kev

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I've yet to witness their reputation for being fragile fish and i've yet to have a fish from you that's died on me. Maybe one or two CRS, but they're not fish.
The vaillantis are in the community tank until I can allocate a tank for them. They seem to be doing fine in a tank with german blue rams, whiptails, and yamato shrimp if not a bit out of place haha.