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Old 31-05-2006, 11:16 AM
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gg tak boleh tahan n bought 2 packs of lapis sand. but then..he said damn ugly n size is bigger than the holland sand. muahahaha....i posted said get the FILTERED lapis sand...but this fella need another pair of eyes.

there are different colors of lapis sand. Get the brown one lar...nicer.
yar la the brown one looks good..size is better than holland sand coz i consider holland sand too coarse.
i try once first..then i think will switch to this sand with all my project...but packing different la....
Designer Plastic ...rm35 per kilo onli wat.
put 50sen per kilo labis sand into designer plastic...then charge rm50 per 5 kilo.

siao liao....count money also hand tired o

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Old 31-05-2006, 11:32 AM
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wah...macam tu pun boleh? good money to earn ah? Then you can named it as ARI sand...

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Old 31-05-2006, 04:48 PM
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wah...macam tu pun boleh? good money to earn ah? Then you can named it as ARI sand...

if call ARI sand...nobody will buy la...but name EXOTIC ENDAU-ROMPIN....wah...siao liao....must hire container to export overseas hor

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Old 01-06-2006, 12:58 AM
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well...i did mention i want to talk about the methods of controlling algae...and somehow along the line came some unexpected events that calls for my defending of this track....well, i suppose it always diffcult to get back into the writting mood after an interruption...but as promise i will try to finish this topic about algae.

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i know this dude...he has a pair of Philips 865PL 36w in his 2x1.5x1.5 tank. later....he out did himself by producing the best algae tank ...the hairy green janggut type.
i advice him to do a general clean up...
1) throw all the plants from that tank....better to buy new ones than try to cure it

2)get some sodium bicarbonate...yup baking powder...3 tablespoon to be exact....and put in the tank for 2 days...stop all fileration. after that a 100% water change...add in some PSB or whatever bacteria and let the fileration run for a week....cover the tank with newspaper ...try to keep it really dark
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3)change the lighting to 18000k 20w and 6800k 20w

"come back and see me after u had done all that"....next patient please!

now ...the cause of his problem no doubt is the lightings...Philips 865PL doesnt come cheap....they are nearest thing to sunlight ever produce for the low end market. but they are not meant for aquarium ...more like they are invented for industrial use.
but planters being geninus figure out 865PL could be used in planted tanks ...and they are right...but the explanation stops there.

so..came alone a planter whos still green and a proud owner of a 2 footer tank ...bought a pair of 865PL, spend some more on its casing on the understanding they are good for planted tanks...he is half right and half wrong in this belief.
what he doesnt understand is 865PL has a lumen of 65 to 75.
if u cant figure whats all this about ...check this out ....a Metal Halide has a lumen of 72 to 77....it wouldnt be wrong to say this dude here is putting 2 Metal Halide in his tiny 2 footer.....Now u tell me ...what would be the result??

the thing about PL lamps is they are MARADONAS...stocky short and powerfull....they could reach the depth of 3 feet without too much problem.
but in a 2 footer they do more harm than good...
simply coz they are too powerfull for a tiny 2 footer.
but if that 2 footer has a depth of 2 feet or above it would be a different story.
so the story here is ...if that dude has been asking around the right people he wouldnt have wasted good money on lighting for his 2 footer...infact its much cheaper to get the flo tube and would produce better result for his 2 footer.
the extra lightings from the PL is the cause of algae....

but hear this....
i can infact use that two 865PL in a 2 footer without much problem ...it could be done...infact it would be an ideal situation for light hungry plants like the reds.......but......i do not want to mention this method now coz i do not want to give any false hope to newbies who has powerfull PL in their small tanks....for the simple reason ...they are not ready for this ...maybe after they had attain some level of experience would i tell them how to do this....in a NOT so easy to follow methods.


So u guys out there with powerfull lighting outfits and having algae problem ...its time to really consider if your lightings are abit too much for your tank to handle..maybe its time for a change over to FLO TUBES

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Old 01-06-2006, 08:53 AM
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What?? 18000K for 20W? never see this kind of tube or bulb before. May be it is good for marine.

like you said 2)get some sodium bicarbonate...yup baking powder...3 tablespoon to be exact....and put in the tank for 2 days...stop all fileration. after that a 100% water change...add in some PSB or whatever bacteria and let the fileration run for a week....cover the tank with newspaper ...try to keep it really dark.

3 tablespoons of soda powder for 2ft tank might increase the KH from 0 to 2 immediately. Beside those tough fishes. Do you think other smaller fishes like tetra and shrimp able to stand of KH swing in suddent?

And stop all the filteration. No O2 provided? Fishes able survive for 2 days since non photoperiod and no O2 provided.

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Ari. Good one. You mentioned this to me the other day, about the PLL. Well, here's my 'add-on' info. Wanted to see if the lights did kacau the tank...angled the lights a bit, adjusted the placement a bit, tried to diffuse the light a bit and ... the tank is doing much, much better. Compared to 2 weeks ago, I would say my tank now has about 5 - 10% algae only. And this is where the light kena the brightest. Now from visual inspection, I think only a portion of the 36W light rays shine the tank.

Why didin't I change to FL? Well, since I plan to upgrade my tank anyway, wanted to see how I can influence the plants (play, play). Amazing discovery...for me at least.

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Old 01-06-2006, 10:22 AM
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What?? 18000K for 20W? never see this kind of tube or bulb before. May be it is good for marine.

like you said 2)get some sodium bicarbonate...yup baking powder...3 tablespoon to be exact....and put in the tank for 2 days...stop all fileration. after that a 100% water change...add in some PSB or whatever bacteria and let the fileration run for a week....cover the tank with newspaper ...try to keep it really dark.

3 tablespoons of soda powder for 2ft tank might increase the KH from 0 to 2 immediately. Beside those tough fishes. Do you think other smaller fishes like tetra and shrimp able to stand of KH swing in suddent?

And stop all the filteration. No O2 provided? Fishes able survive for 2 days since non photoperiod and no O2 provided.
yar yar ..thanks for pointing that out....i meant to say KOsong Tank, NO fish NO plants....to start all over again. this method is to kill every living thing in the tank ...with algae on top of the list...thats why stop filterations....and 100% water change.
Lucky u are the first to notice that..hehehehe

18000K is more to the reddish side , mix with 6800K white...will produce the right blend for a two footer. a 18000k on its own is not really suitable for plants.
yup..this is the tone use for marine tanks especially good for hard corals and coraline algae.

using a single tone lets say...6800 to 8000K is good..but take this into consideration...natural sunlight doesnt shine white light 12 hours a day.
if u study the light spetrum..it should be yellowish at dawn, bright white at noon and reddish at dusk.
for a bigger tank u could play around with the colour tones using a timer...but for a 2 footer...the mix choice is between 2800K and 6800K or 6800k and 18000K. but most planters would keep the lighting on up to 9 or 10pm...so it obvious to recommend 6800 and 18000k combo.
if u have a pair 6800k running up to 12hours a day in 2 footer...the algae would surely come back.

in a case study....and i must mention 88 again...
the bos , ah siew...back in the days when he use do his own planting ..many beautifull planted setup could be seen in 88, nowdays ..Phuuut! the planted tanks all look like shit...coz its done by the workers.
one of my business partner is a ex 88 worker...he said that ah siew would encourage his workers to use whatever they want for planted setups..imagine using all the ferts or whatever for free....somehow they could not grow plants as beautifull as ah siew....even though they using the same materials as ah siew.
why?...so my partner ask ah siew the reasons...and his reply was...Dawn noon and dusk....thats all , short without conclusion.
he then for once inspected the lightings used by ah siew...and true he found...yellow , white and red....and being smart he kept that secret to himself. after that his plants being to out do those planted by his co-workers.
well this all was over 10 years ago.
we now tends to use timers for better results.
im not trying to promote ah siew...infact he is my business rival...but then he is really good...its a shame he doesnt do any planting nowdays...too busy enjoying his money on other

attractions

its not wrong to say he is one of the best around...his glosso planting methods is really awsome......but then when it comes to marine and filteration section i will whip his ass anyday...hahaha...u win some u lose some.

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Ari. Good one. You mentioned this to me the other day, about the PLL. Well, here's my 'add-on' info. Wanted to see if the lights did kacau the tank...angled the lights a bit, adjusted the placement a bit, tried to diffuse the light a bit and ... the tank is doing much, much better. Compared to 2 weeks ago, I would say my tank now has about 5 - 10% algae only. And this is where the light kena the brightest. Now from visual inspection, I think only a portion of the 36W light rays shine the tank.

Why didin't I change to FL? Well, since I plan to upgrade my tank anyway, wanted to see how I can influence the plants (play, play). Amazing discovery...for me at least.

hahaha...its good to play play around ...coz there is where u discover new things. so when its time to setup the new tank ...u would be ready with some added experience....the catch is u will not improve if things didnt go wrong in the first place.
well..glad to hear my methods is a help to u. keep up the good work

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Old timer always have better experience n skill. Respect....

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Ha ha, 'o-thai' with trendy-looking sunglasses!

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