MY Methods... - Page 21

ari · #**201** (**permalink**) 21-06-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by soyadude

I think substrate fert more economical than liquiferts. But suitable more to the plants that absorb with their roots a lot like echinodrus species. Doubt it'll be very useful for riccia and etc. But that is some fertile substrate! Careful your plant grow gigantic :P.

hahaha...finally a dude who got a driff on what im actually doing.
this is infact an Echinodrus biotype soil setup....waaah clever ah u.
javanese soil is actually volcanic ash, this soil u poke what also can grow, problem is they are dirty...so must put them in the bottom..
clay and peat are for plants with big roots...try pulling them out after a few months...good luck .hehehe

this type of substrate is setup so i dun have to use liquiferts...so cut down the risk of algae...not thinking on the economical side , but more to the heartbreak side to see algae in your tanks

i have try this type of substrate many times...red giant echinodrus with leave the size of a dinner plate.aponogeton species grow runners like theres no tomorrow. stem plants like stellata have tumb size stems,...but then..the problem i had last time was i cant keep them truly red.
and yup..... plants like riccia or moss wont be happy in this setup...

then came a messiah name DOM ...with his Fe powder...so this setup can jalan la

one more round nasi lemak on me bos ...............jangan tambah ayam ah

dom · #**202** (**permalink**) 21-06-2006, 02:49 PM

muahaha...not full ler if no ayam. u knw lar...guys like ayam. of coz i like ayam too.

for aponogeton, crinum, crypts those big plants..try to put some calcium in. they will grow nicer n bigger. i poke some calcium inside my emersed crypt. damn...it grow like 3ft long. Those came to my house n keep asking me that is crypt or not. And it is flowering like once per month.

I poke some fe and calcium for the A.madasgarensis and Crinum natans...n babies growing...

boss...i pack some calcium for you lar. so, can tambah ayam in my nasi lemak or not? if i pack some k2so4 and kno3...then i can tambah sotong or not?

isaacgoh · #**203** (**permalink**) 21-06-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ari

not kiasu la ..i dun mix wit singapoh lung hor..
and not want to try everything la.....but

u want to count for me ah...if use basic long term fert for 4x2.5x2...how much liao ah.....where got money ah

its like this la...i don have enough of everything la...so ma campur la.

I think like you ...hahaha...I got no money to buy all ADA but I like ADA look in tanks. That's why I use garden soil from nursery then put thin thin layer of ADA on top for cosmetic reason. Last time newbie time, I use this garden soil kena algae until wanna cry, nowadays no scared lah. Algae ah, won't die one.

If put 3 inch substrate will be 2.5 inch garden soil and 0.5 inch ADA...hahaha.. I didn't try the shit lah as substrate but only use as root tab. Last time use kambing shit for crypt, grow super fast even without Co2. Nowadays switch to chicken because kambing shit very smelly until kena marah by wife.

ari · #**204** (**permalink**) 21-06-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dom

wah lau eh...macam tu pun boleh! not all the plants grow like you will be good ler. hahahaha... imagine i keeping u inside a 3x2x2ft tank and see.

the gravel should sliding down from background to foreground. else, the fore ground plants cover the middle ground n back ground. cant really bring out yr focus point n layout.

let me rescape for yr 3ft tank in yr shop. I need half of that holland sand. 1 full pail of the lapis sand (filtered n fine type). Then 2 packs of those organic fert. Get ready the plants you want... low maintenance or high maintenance plants...depends on your. I will first draw the layout and focus point...(learnt from Amano lar...)on the paper. (finally finished reading his book and learnt a lot.) Will show you before i do it lar.

ok?? next week?

helo kawan ..im not doing aquascaping la...fore ground would be tenellus, how tall can they grow?..belakang is aramani and macranda, im planting a jungle la

...so simi focus or layout all tara pakai la.

u come shop makan nasi lemak, come bring gf , come chia tua pau, alll can...but u touch the tank, ....u see la wat happen

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wait la , next month wan to setup bigger display tank , after i get the right sayur...aiya ...let u play with this one la...hahaha....ok bos.

hai lor there is a 6 foot tank...but wide and height is only 1.5. people dun wan liao...i think this tank u divide...can have 3 different setup in a row ..champion la for your apartment

dom · #**205** (**permalink**) 21-06-2006, 03:02 PM

isaac, i found it is the same smell ler. those well packed sheep organic not so powerfull. Remember when i was in some fertlizer factory visit. they hv this kind of sheep organic fert just for vegetable farm. Damn power man... not only the smelly is power. but the grow rate for plants also power. Too bad...they just in damn big pack like 100kg per pack n sell to vegetable farm only.

i got some sample n gave me mom to grow her plants...and now. her garden just look like the those million years old untouched jungle.

dom · #**206** (**permalink**) 21-06-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ari

helo kawan ..im not doing aquascaping la...fore ground would be tenellus, how tall can they grow?..belakang is aramani and macranda, im planting a jungle la

...so simi focus or layout all tara pakai la.

u come shop makan nasi lemak, come bring gf , come chia tua pau, alll can...but u touch the tank, ....u see la wat happen

.

wait la , next month wan to setup bigger display tank , after i get the right sayur...aiya ...let u play with this one la...hahaha....ok bos.

hai lor there is a 6 foot tank...but wide and height is only 1.5. people dun wan liao...i think this tank u divide...can have 3 different setup in a row ..champion la for your apartment

hehehe...i want to cut yr stellata ler. coming over tomorrow nite. coz need the stellata on this weekend for my 4ft. ok ah boss?

so u want to make that 3ft tank as display tank or...other tank? yr shop still got space ah? up that 3ft is enough lar.

wah...6ft long. but 1.5ft high n wide! kind of weird! my condo got no more space to put lar. why not put it in yr shop. you devide by 2ft each partition. then i can up 3 types of setup. damn damn...hand itchy liao.. cepak lar....

isaacgoh · #**207** (**permalink**) 21-06-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dom

isaac, i found it is the same smell ler. those well packed sheep organic not so powerfull. Remember when i was in some fertlizer factory visit. they hv this kind of sheep organic fert just for vegetable farm. Damn power man... not only the smelly is power. but the grow rate for plants also power. Too bad...they just in damn big pack like 100kg per pack n sell to vegetable farm only.

i got some sample n gave me mom to grow her plants...and now. her garden just look like the those million years old untouched jungle.

I bought the kambing shit from ACE in Ikano. Come back open the whole house smell like shit. I have to put inside big tetra bits bottle, whenever i have to use it, I hate the feeling. The whole house will smell of shit. Chicken not so bad lah. But I agree, all plants use organic can grow super fast, BUT now the downside of it is, how long can it last? It may have the power to kickstart fast growth, but don't know how long can last. Some bottom ferts for planted tank are engineered for long lasting, don't know how true but they claimed to do that.

Last time I think Robby said use clay ball is good, nowadays didn't hear much about it already. I think it's good but never try.

Dom,

you don't want the emersed red plants I brought back ar? If don't want I will throw away.

Rgds,
isaac

ari · #**208** (**permalink**) 21-06-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by creep

Hi Ari. This is turning out to be another very interesting read.
I have a few questions though. At least I'm not calling you on your handphone to bug you heh heh.

1. Why ah, after you put the bottom layer, you add lapis sand? You mixed holland sand in the bottom layer also - is it so that the mixture will not compact?
2. You not scared meh mixing ayam and kambing ferts and then add base fert some more? Do you plan to have all the nutrients come from the substrate only?
3. What is the purpose of adding so many layers of soil, sand and fert?

Terima kasut.

labis sand is compact ma...cover the firty firty stuff in the bottom so they dun come up lor
mixed with holland sand coz the goodies tara cukup for 2 inch thick . river pebbles i use so they dun be come compact lo

plants got complaint about too much ferts in substrate meh??....the more the better la...cepat sikit besar....jaga algae ah

i also dun know why so many layers lor ...but i go river bank and see...especially the part kena erode...see the colour tone on the banks like Kueh lapis...so i think thats where the idea of putting many layers came lo

dom · #**209** (**permalink**) 21-06-2006, 03:19 PM

i want...wat time u at home? forgotten u got the red plants for me....

all base fert will be assorbed by plants... how to last it long? since you are keeping it inside aquarium. not in a stream.

isaacgoh · #**210** (**permalink**) 21-06-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dom

i want...wat time u at home? forgotten u got the red plants for me....

all base fert will be assorbed by plants... how to last it long? since you are keeping it inside aquarium. not in a stream.

Tonite planning to go IKEA buy something and East Aqua there. Cannot find BOYU and NIROX diffusor in 88 and pet family. They only sell rm85 and above diffusor, so expensive. Very frust....waste my time going only. Better go EA.

10 something can? I'll be back home already. Else tomoro lah.

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