About glosso....have u seen the one grown in 88 some 10 years back. that setup is done by the Boss..yup empat mata.

to be honest...even though me and him are not on talking terms...that setup was the best glosso setup i have yet come across.
till now i havent seen one that comes anywhere near his....

Imagine this ...old leaf glosso 5 x 1 foot wide, and 4 inches thick

check this one....i once use bronze cooling pipes with highspeed 5hp condensing units in marine system fiteration...cant figure out why the water become MILO PENG after 2 weeks .................

during school boy time no money buylong term ferts..use rm1.50 BAJA POKOK ...plant what also die...plant somemore ...somemore die...well , those were days before i knew what pottasium was

add in salt in planted tank... FS ah pek say neon tetra got white spot can cure with salt and heater. come back from school....plants all become sayur rebus

i actually tried planting Kangkong.......

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If you ask me a couple of months ago.. I would say ADA soil not worth the money.. but I must say ada soil makes things easier. Back in the day I was scrimping with holland sand+pea gravel+loam clay+quartz chips my glosso really quite sad coz tortured by whiptails, somemore plants easily injured by whiptail catfish rasping at it.. coz my substrate quite compact and hard, not like ADA.. kinda cushion. But in my old ADA-less tank, grow echinodrus easy peas la.. E.osiris grow 6 foot tall. Growing any fine leaf foreground plant different story. Buy HC for 25 bucks and see it float around the next day. Plant back, next day float again. Those that stick on the substrate try to root here and there, then whiptail whack... fly dunno where again. Not as easy to root as ADA la and things tend to stick inside and not come out so easily. Easier to plant without damaging the roots.

My tank with ADA soil, I put the whiptail inside, glosso spreading everywhere no problem. I also experimented. Some place I put ADA soil some I put normal holland sand... the glosso only spreading on ADA soil.. not yet spread to holland sand part. I stuck a couple of half dead plants in ada soil.. it starts budding from the bottom brightly coloured somemore. Wah really miracle stuff. If stick in the same plant in my old set up, can expect to see "kiam chai" after a few days. I think the main thing about ADA soil is it's light.. somemore it's porous. Plants damn easy to root and shoot from underground. Holland sand will become compact and hard. Unless you put some malaysian trumpet snail and let it burrow a bit and loosen your soil .

I don't really have algae problems apart froms staghorn in my ada tank. By the way ari, today I did a major cleanup of the algae.. manually removed all the algae I can find.. backbreaking work... change water 50% after cleanup two days in a row. Now can see just a little bit left... dunno if it'll come back onot. I also tried your ocean free algae remover with the algae. Works also ah I think. The algae change colour from greyish green to light green. Somemore the algae seem to thin out..I think gonna die liaw. But I don't dare to dose my whole tank la.. got shrimps.

aaah..see ..u been thru the hard stuff...then switch to ADA...and things got much easier for u. so thats the point im trying to say to people here....do the hardwork first...or else u will never be thankfull that we have ADA today......but some people take it i meant ADA is no good and using ADA makes the planter unskilled......well...some people are that cluess.

the catch is ...how would u know how good ADA is unless u being thru the tough exprience of knowing how diffcult it is to plant with common gravel.
if u could do it with common gravel...wouldnt your work would be cut out for u when u switch to ADA????....well MR Rottenapple...went as far comparing me with HUMPREY BOGART...thats why i thanked him ...if he knew who Bogart is in the first place.

Go easy on the anti algae...just take your time ...the algae aint be leaving town soon. btw..i forget to ask...do u have a heavy fish population??
Feeding is also a major contributor to algae...especially if u went over.

well Soya...alot could be achieve with holland sand ...if u do things the right way...it takes a little time for plants to really settle in ...and glosso planted in holland sand is totally a different method from glosso planted in ADA soil.
if u have the patience for the first 3 months ...glosso in holland sand will look really beautifull...since it doesnt grow as fast as in ADA soil...the leafs become more matured dark green before spreading...sort like "Low Yip"...they will cover the foreground...and later grow upwards...producing the thick 2 to 3 inch thick carpet.while in ADA soil ...glosso grows fast..producing broad type leaf..in apple colour.

the word is ....holland sand is your test ground..what u can do holland sand with natrually u could do better with ADA soil....but then ...u have to know your stuff....and...thats what this track is all about...The basics

LOW YIP...glosso...i use very little glosso in the intial planting...but give them time ...they will produce the carpet formation
notice new shoots forming on the macranda...deep red....and this is holland sand



Green Towgey..hehehe....the runners will run deep in holland sand...while in ADA soil the runner would be visible


Stellata ...a four week journey from green emerged form to blades turning purple.
a very diffcult plant to grow even with ADA soil.....and this is holland

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haha...ari... so far i nvr kena any sifu release the dog. I think you were too desperate and made that sifu hate you so much. no worry...come to my house. we can share share the experience. I am staying in condo. got no doggie. but then...i got Tarantula lar...if you are not scare of T...

Yes. I would like to say you need to go thru some experiences and experiments of planted tank. Then only go for ADA. We hv to learn from the basic and how to solve the problems. This is the fun of into planted tank...

Btw, i believe non of the planted tank hobbyst able to solve the algae problem. Not Amano himself or Tom Barr. Where got aquatic plant, where got algae.

People said HC growing slow. Must use ADA soil. But then, I use Kambing and Chicken Organic fertilizer + RM1.50 N15 P15 K15 green n pink color fertilizer with 50% of holland sand n 50% of lapis sand. 3 PL-L tubes in 1.5ft height 2ft tank. They are fully grown in 5 weeks time. While the HC i got from friend were brown n dying.

But then, this is applied to those experience hobbyst. The amount n combination of the commercial fertilizer need to adjust n use it carefully. Else, you gonna cry for the dead fishes n dead plants all the time.

This is probably the most entertaining and educational thread I've ever come across!

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no lah ..not they hate me la ...u know la in the old days...sifu want u to beg them to teach u....they do all sort of nasty thing to u...like spit at your feet, ask u to wait while he slip out the back door go play majong in coffee shop, ask the wife to purposely sweep the floor and broom stick kena your legs,
well...if u are still there after all that , then he will teach u ...this not coz he is a mean person la...but if someone beg to be taught means the sifu got Face la......
thats the good old days la ...nowdays ah ...u want to willing teach people ...but they say...LU SAPA??...lu ingat lu terror ah mau sini ajar sana ajar... this one not cock and bull story hor...example is in this forum for all to see.

Spider i tara takut la.....if u stay in condo i takut 2 thing....
1)the security guard

"hello...lu datang sini kenapa, mau repair apa?''
tra bos, saya datang cari kawan
"hei lu jangan bohong ah....sini tempat orang kaya tau...lu punya muka ada kawan orang kaya ah?...lu tunggu sini...check IC dulu"

2)your wife
" i tell u ah...u dont anyhow mix with my husband ah...last time he dont know how to drink, gamble and tell lies one, 7pm come home liao one
..see now mix with u , pocket got cigarette, icebox got guiness stout, wallet got 4 ekor ticket , somemore got ah long card. what la u ...u dont disturb people cannot one meh...u see la now...1am , 2 am also not yet come home...come home time got perfume smell one"..........


haha...algae will always be there...but do your homework...they wont have the chance to multiply....simple as that.

oh one more thing....I hope u are NOT CRAZY to intro people here to use garden fert....people tends to follow instructions ...WITOUT reading the warning sign. u and me know the danger of those fert...many people dont...
Overdose and "tak apa la tambah banyak sikit , kasi cepat besar"...is the standard malaysian attitude.....

"..what la that dom ..stupid fellow teach me to use baja kambing ,,,see now my plants all ...like jelly liao , can see thru one"

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muahaha...ari, u mou tak teng... u really made me rolling on the floor.

My condo is not for orang kaya lar..not those half a million type. The security guard nvr bother to ask you who are you. Unless you want to drive in lar. then they will ask which unit and kasi ic/lesen. And...i belum kahwin ler... i m not a smoker..if i want to smoke. long time already smoke lor...
gamble...i sit in casino n watching leng lui only. 4 ekor ticket...once a while. no harm right? Ah long name card!!! I got damn a lot...especially the legal ah long ....

ops...shouldnt tell about the baja kambing. Those who want to use...and end up all died. dont blame me ah!

Ari, my glosso last time also used to grow like yours but a bit thicker. Can really see difference in growth pattern. On holland sand they tend to grow like one long strand in one line, but on ADA soil it spread in all direction. But my old set up although no ADA, got co2. With ADA soil, it's really taking off, even without co2 really becoming carpet. With co2.. I think now become jungle adi. I prefer the light apple green of fast growing glosso. Looks nicer to my eyes, dunno why. Eh what's that's towgay plant in the second pic?

I don't think my tank overstocked lor, I got 8 yamato, 2 german blue rams, one male sturisoma panamese, 3 rosy barbs. 2 flying foxes, one tiny otocinclus, 2 vaillanti chocolate gouramis, 1 male molly, 1 male platy, 2 silvertip tetras and one bumblebee goby. That's it. My tank is 4 x 2 x 2. All my fish small small.. not much bioload. Biggest fish also whiptail(about 6.5 inches), he makes sure my glass no algae at all. I feed very sparingly one, normally two cubes of bloodworms. Gone in 15 minutes. Yamato and snails make sure everything cleaned up. I read a pamphlet from dennerle. The pamphlet say feed bloodworm can cause algae? Got such thing ah? Or is it old grandfather's story?

hahaha fun, entertaining, educational. Bery soon, everyone will be talking like Ari one...

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Steven

I never expected that my comments getting such negative response from you. I am so sorry. Really sorry, that you can’t accept my comment. Really sorry for a man like you with so much information to distribute, with so many experiences to share; can’t accept my comment.

But hey, we live in the society where we are can agree to disagree.

Say what you want to say, and be done with it. Do not continue making sarcastic remarks about it. Unlike you, I can accept it.

Maybe I should talk like you to make my comment more receptive. But last time I checked on any the forum rules, dictates us to speak simple language, in this case simple English, so that everyone can understand, no one will misunderstood. The rules are made for a reason.

We are here to share and learn. We are here, not in the making heroes business, not to decide who is the best and who is not. If you can’t take the heat, try talking in simple English, say it clearly, no underlying meaning, reduce flaming, reduce sarcastic remarks, reduce degrading remarks.

Enough said. I have said it in details here, under chit chat section, to clear the way for you to go on with the show/class, even though I am for one would not be in it anymore or at least after positive changes made.

Best Regards