You have to get the hydroponics fert. if you buy terrestrial plant fert which contains high amount of NH4+ then you will get headache i promise.

Regards

Stan
ps dom you selling ADA ka. i think i have to be less stingy with the balls.

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muahaha..no lar. you tot i m lfs meh. I am just telling the truth with what i m experiencing with.

hahaha...u already shared half of yr ballz. you left half ballz only.

hmmm..
talk about alternative ferts...
HOW about root ferts?
any alternative other than those commercial ones?

Dom once told me that we can try using the "jagung" or the mini corn like base fert/ root fert

Regards,
John

Hi John,

Not to be rude or anything, why don't you start your own thread on root feeder topic. Since this thread about commercial liquid micro nutrients, it is seems inappropriate to discuss it in here.

Anyway, to quickly answer your question, yes, root feeder is good if you have heavy rooted plants like Crypts, Swordplants, Nymphea Lotus etc (rosette plants). But for stem plants like Rotala, Ludwigia etc, in my opinion, is not suitable, because you don't want this stem plants to heavily rooted, since you will most probably uproot them quite often, after a few trimming, just to remove those ugly bottom parts with thin roots hanging everywhere. It is better through water column fertilization. Most stem plants don't heavily rooted anyway compared to crypts, swords etc.

There are two brand of root feeder with corn shaped appearance, I know of. One is Ista and the other is Ocean Free Root Monster. There are also root feeder in a tablet form such as Sera Florenette, ADA Iron Bottom etc. Well with this, you better not use it for stem plants, since when you uprooted, the root tab will also came out, clouding your water etc. Just my few cents.

Best Regards

For better result, try to get the ADA Multi long bottom. Which contained 30 pcs and allow you to use more than a year. Please remember...a piece of Multi long bottom able to supply the neccessary nitrient to as wide as 1.5 square feet. And you only need to insert again after 3-4 months. So, if your tank is 2ft tank. 1 piece for 4 months for example and 3 pieces for a year. And you have 30 pcs, which mean you can use for 10 years. (if you are able to just maintain the 2ft for 10 years.)

I see...
Thanks Nasfish and Dom.

Sorry about steering the topic Nasfish, didn't mean to mess things up
Just wanted to learn more from here since it's about ferts.

Thanks!

Regards,
John

Hi,

I have been using ADA Iron Bottom (short) for my E. Cinereum to get them to flower, but instead they are getting bigger, no flowers (antena) yet. Maybe will try ADA multi bottom instead. By the way 88 Marine selling Iron or Multi bottom (short one) for RM3.00 per piece!.

Best Regards

Hi,

Almost forgot about this thread, have been forgetting things regularly nowadays..

It is ok John. We are here to share and learn anyway. Hope you will keep asking questions…then we all will learn…

Only now, I 'perasan' (noticed), you are giving up using them.. hahaha ..after bought some from you. I am happy that I bought it, as I like to test new stuff, who knows, maybe it will works well for me. You never know until you tried it, right?. I am in the middle of figuring out the dosing level for my tanks. The dosing guide you gave me is a good start, thanks again, but I will dose lower for a start, and increase as time goes by, depending on the plant response and algae issues. Maybe I will do it to my test tank first especially the Fe. I hope someone else who have been using the same stuff, can share their experiences though.

Talking about Bacter Ball, what if I use Bacter 100 mixed with water in a bottle, and dumps it into the tank instead? What do you think? I have read you post about ADA products here :http://www.myfishforum.com/thread4177.html, but just want to know your opinion. I would like to try the Bacter Ball though, to see it for myself the effect, but I already got some Bacter 100, not sure about using it, although ADA did recommend it to be applied to aquarium water when ‘necessary’. Last time use it under the ADA soil. I have been using that Green Bacter after all this time.

And one more question, if I may, what do you think about ADA Penac-W?..Not enough information around about this product (or I am not looking hard enough), but from what I can gather, it contains some Ca, Mg, Si, Fe etc..is it some sort of micro nutrients too?

Used Penac-P under the ADA soil during the initial setup of my tank (just following what a guy at my nearby LFS told, blur blur, that time, “one set la...senang kira”, the guy said....”errrr ok la!” I replied.. )


Thanks

Regards

Hi Nasfish. You are right. Not much info on Penac on the net. Only commercial Penac brands ferts for agriculture. But just for general info, Penac is not an ADA product. They just carry the brand and perhaps indirectly endorse it. Caught this info at the krib.

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Steven

I never try to use the Bacter 100. Normally i just thrown in the bacter ball inside the tank. Perhaps you can try the method like melting it inside a bottle n dosing it daily. Will find out from ADA KL Agent...Then will update you in here.

About the Penac. You can get from Agriculture shop like what creep said. But then, it is the pure penac. And we do not know what is inside the Penac-P and W. Perhaps, ADA mixed with some other stuff.

ADA KL agent not sure Penac-P and W contained what kind of material. He told me P is for the plant and W is for the water. It contained some elements which to help the plant root to grow stronger and improve the water parameter. I hope i can grab more info from them or perhaps ADA Japan.

Will update you all once i got the info.

Btw, i mixed the fe, Mg, K2SO4, KNO3 and Calcium inside a capsul. Then insert deep inside the gravel which near to Crium or Aponogeton. My madagascarensis flowering and grow with lot of new leaves. So there is a babies grown from the side.

It do worked well for my emersed crypts. My C.cilliate flowering every week. Yes...everyweek. But i still dare not to try on my C.Bullosa and striolata yet. But i had tried the ADA Multi Long Bottom for the bullosa since last week. Guess what? Saw a new leaf growing...