hydrogen peroxide, potassium permaganate

[soyadude]

Originally Posted by Gold FinGer

soyadude said can get hydrogen peroxide in any pharmacies. does it means hydrogen peroxide can also use on human?

Yes it's a common disinfectant for humans. I use it to clean wounds. So is potassium permangenate. A sterilizer.

[soyadude]

Make sure you don't let potassium permangenate lie around the house. It's highly reactive. For instance p.permangenate + glycerine = fire.

[RuslanJamil]

Originally Posted by Gold FinGer

i intend 2 quarantine my new fish with hydrogen peroxide b4 moving it into the big tank but untill now still havent get any new fish yet. wat harif said [measure out an amount of water (well say 10 mL) and then add 1 mL (one tenth)of hydrogen peroxide.] does it means if i use 10 litre of water then i have 2 put 1 litre of hydrogen peroxide? am i right?

Well, the dip is only for 10 seconds so you want to minimize the amount of water that is used. Using 10L of water for a 10 second dip is probably too much for a few goldfish. Besides, the H2O2 will not remain effective for long.

Hydrogen peroxide is also used to bleach hair so if you want to be a blonde, just try some on your hair. Keep away from your eyes though.

[standoyo]

Originally Posted by Gold FinGer

soyadude said can get hydrogen peroxide in any pharmacies. does it means hydrogen peroxide can also use on human?

It is used to disinfect. Some use it with cotton bud to treat wounds or just nuke ears.

Can get both items in local pharmacies. Should get your PP now before it's banned as it's a chemical component in making you know what.

Regards

Stan

[harif887]

Originally Posted by soyadude

Make sure you don't let potassium permangenate lie around the house. It's highly reactive. For instance p.permangenate + glycerine = fire.

Seriously?! i gottaa try that! lol

-And yeah one liter of H2O2 is a bit MUCH lol. They dont come in one galloin jugs ya know........

[chochiss]

Originally Posted by Gold FinGer

i intend 2 quarantine my new fish with hydrogen peroxide b4 moving it into the big tank but untill now still havent get any new fish yet. wat harif said [measure out an amount of water (well say 10 mL) and then add 1 mL (one tenth)of hydrogen peroxide.] does it means if i use 10 litre of water then i have 2 put 1 litre of hydrogen peroxide? am i right?

quarantine gf using hydrogen peroxide? weird.....pp them with 2ppm for small fishes, 4ppm for big ones. H2O2 not effective for disinfectent. our pharmacy sells hp @ 6% solution. harif's application is for 3%. read rg & cut the amount of the needed h2o2 per litre by half.

pp is the most effective weapon for gf as far as i know cos other meds....nah...not even power oso.....power is one thing but other meds...not effective langsung........

as for pp....not really banned. in sg, u can get it in a neat rounded bottle somethin like the nivea cream or hair cream packing which is worth it. but over here.....the pharms sells them in damn darn small bottle....like the mini asam bottle man, cost pretty cheap...@ bout RM 2 bucks i think.....weighs 2.5++grams. just remember....dun add pp with formalin........explosive with immediate effect....

[harif887]

May i ask what exactly bathing the fish in H2O2 or potassium permagnate cures the fish of?? And if your putting the fish in a bath just to be cautious isnt it the same thing as giving them meds when theyre healthy?? and isnt giving meds to a healthy fish not so healthy for the fish??

[standoyo]

They are both powerful oxidising agents than burns bacteria and other small organisms.
It does not cure fish of any disease. It is used to kill small pathogens in the right doses.
Reducing the amount of pathogens allow the fish immune system to cope and heal itself.
These chemicals are not to be used for long bath if the fish has open wounds.

For PP, you can't really measure how much to use as it is so concentrated, mix liquid till it's a light purple solution for long baths. Mid colour for short baths.
Open wounds you can use a cotton bud and swab the wound with a slightly more concentrated solution.
Never put the crystals directly into tank. Always use a small toothpick/cotton bud to swab some crystals and mix in small container/bottle then dose to reach desired colour concentration.

ps. PP is banned in Indonesia.

Regards

Stan

[harif887]

Originally Posted by standoyo

They are both powerful oxidising agents than burns bacteria and other small organisms.
It does not cure fish of any disease. It is used to kill small pathogens in the right doses.
Reducing the amount of pathogens allow the fish immune system to cope and heal itself.
These chemicals are not to be used for long bath if the fish has open wounds.

For PP, you can't really measure how much to use as it is so concentrated, mix liquid till it's a light purple solution for long baths. Mid colour for short baths.
Open wounds you can use a cotton bud and swab the wound with a slightly more concentrated solution.
Never put the crystals directly into tank. Always use a small toothpick/cotton bud to swab some crystals and mix in small container/bottle then dose to reach desired colour concentration.

ps. PP is banned in Indonesia.

Regards

Stan

Im sorry butyou said to mix PP until you get a light purple color.....Thats no accurate way of measuring out chemicals!!!at all!! Thats one of the most dangerous ways to gauge how much you have in there. If you do this your fish will die.

When measuring chemicals you must measure EXACT. And sometimes exact isnt even good enough. Thats why in lab experiments you have a "theoretical" value and the "observed" value. The theoretical is what should be seen when conditions are ideal. And people in the lab try to make situations as ideal as possible by measuring with graducated cylinders and of the like and they still dont get that close to theoretical as one would hope.
The only way you can guage by color is if you are GOD. And i highly doubt god would be on this forum reading up on how to take care of his fish..........

I dont mean to offend anyone but Bottom line is MEASURE CORRECTLY

[soyadude]

The general way of measuring pp dosage is grain of pp per ml water. I've never used it to treat fish. It's used to sterilize stuff.. like cooking equipment if you're out camping or something. So for instance, two grains for a pot. It's hard to measure PP exactly because of the size of grains they come in. Light purple should be roundabouts right for minute dip. It's not as painful as 10% Hydrogen peroxide, that's for sure.

I learnt that pp + glycerine = fire from a dude that used to work for my parents when I was a kid. He was showing me this magic trick, he started a fire by waving at a clump of newspapers.... i later found out he used pp and glycerine so the fire is delayed until he waves his hand..