Japanese Ranchu came to Malaysia in EGG form

[NaganoLiewKun]

Originally Posted by ho0406

Hi Vincent & all,
Changed water yesterday. Do appreciate any comments. Best regards.

Ho, ur green water become dark green, be careful the oxigen burn and gill problem.
Green water quality should be follow the picture as i attached. Pls reference it.

[NaganoLiewKun]

Originally Posted by chinaryukin

Hi HO,

Thanks alot for sharing. Your ranchus look healthy, they got nice shape of body and tail. Compard to mine it look abit smaller, but don't worry. I can see their head and wen is growing. Good job Ho.

I'm just curious, where goes the carpet algae, did u clean entire tank during water change? I think they need both carpet alge and green water, but better get our Ipoh geng to give advice and confirm this.

Yeemiau,
Pls advice me on the feeding time and amount of bloodworm at this stage. Also the depth of the water, and water cycle duration.
I did water-change yesterday and put them back into the main tank this evening (they stayed overnight in the ikea tank).



P'Palak,
Why very quite? How's your ranchus?
When r u going for Ipoh Visit?

Cheers,

Hi China Ryukin, for feeding actually we are depand on the weither, water temperature and quantity of the fish. Carpet alge and green water both are needed when necessary or u can use both together.
Pls refer attached link as i already translet to english from japan breeder website. It might be slightly funny english. Think ur self lah!

青水の効果
The effect of 青水=[green water]

●青水そのものの効果として
- As the effect of the 青水=[green water] itself

　⇒摂食抑制効果。（青水が進む程、餌の量を控える必要がある。）
The => ingestion control effect. (It is necessary to cut down the quantity of food, so that 青水=[green water] progresses)
　⇒運動抑制効果。（縦方向への成長は抑制され、丸手の魚となる。）
The => movement control effect. (The growth to a lengthwise direction is controlled and serves as a fish of 丸手=[circle body].)
　⇒水温保持効果。（水換えでは水温差に注意が必要となる。）
The => water temperature maintenance effect. (In a water substitute, cautions are needed for a water temperature difference.)
　⇒体調維持効果。（豊富な栄養と水温保持効果によってもたらされる。）
The => condition maintenance effect. (It is brought by abundant nutrition and the water temperature maintenance effect.)
　⇒保護色の効果。（濃い青水ほど体色は濃くなる。）
The effect of => protective coloring. (The color of the body becomes deep like deep 青水=[green water].)
　⇒抜群の色揚げ効果。（濃い青水ほど色揚げ効果は強い。）
=> -- the preeminent [色揚げ]=colour effect. (The 色揚げ=colour effect is as strong as deep green water=青水.)


２,　青水の色
2, Color of green water.

青水には緑系と茶系の２種類がある。
There are two kinds of green water, a green system and a tea system.

水温が低下する時期に見られ易い事ですが、
Although it is easy to see at the time when water temperature falls,
青水の様子をよく観察すると、緑系と茶系の２種類がある事に気づきます。
If the situation of green water is often observed, he will notice that there are two kinds, a green system and a tea=brown system.

そして、ある１面だけが茶系になっているのを発見し、
And it discovers that only the 1st certain page is a tea=brown system,
あわてて水換えをされた経験のある方も多いのではないでしょうか。
Isn't there much direction with experience which was panicked and was carried out in the water substitute?

しかし結論から言いますと、緑系であっても茶系であっても、
However, when it says from a conclusion, it is even if it is a tea=brown system even if it is a green system,
青水としての効果には全く変わりがありません。
There is no change in the effect as green water.

なぜなら、この現象は池の水質状態や日照時間の微妙な違いの影響の為に、
Because, this phenomenon is the sake of the influence of the delicate difference in the water quality state of a pond, or daylight hours,
水中で優位に繁殖する植物プランクトンが異なる結果となった為です。
It is because a result from which the phytoplankton which breeds in predominance underwater differs was brought.

もう少し具体的に言いますと、青水の色の基となる藻類（植物プランクトン）には、
In the seaweed serving as a basis of the color of green water, speaking a little more concretely, (phytoplankton)
緑色の緑藻類、緑黒色の珪藻類、紅色の藍藻類の３つがあり、
There are three, green green algae, green and black diatoms, and red blue-green algae,
これら内、どれが優位に繁殖しているかで青水の色が決まるのです。
The color of green water is decided by which is breeding in predominance in these.

ただ、一般的には茶系は青水の維持をする点で、やや難しいとされていますので、
However, generally a tea system is since it is the point of maintaining green water and is a little difficult,
エアレーションを幾分強めて、水を拡散させる等の対処が必要です。
Strengthening air RESHON a little and diffusing water etc. needs to be coped with.


夏場はガス病に注意する。
It is cautious of a gas disease=oxigen burn summer.


夏場は強い日差し・水温の上昇・魚の活動の増加の為に青水化が急激に進み、
青水=green water-ization progresses rapidly summer for the increase in activity of a rise and fish of strong sunlight and water temperature,
濃い青水になると、魚はガス病を引き起こすので注意が必要です。
If it becomes deep 青水=green water, since a fish causes a gas disease, cautions are required.

特に、朝の時点でやや濃い日本茶色の青水であれば、
If it is 青水=green water of a Japanese tea color especially a little deep at the time of a morning,
その日の午前中に水換えを行った方が良いでしょう。
Probably, it will be better to perform a water substitute during the morning of the day.

さもないと、その日の夕方には非常に進んだ濃い青水となってしまい、
Otherwise, it becomes deep 青水=green water which progressed very much on the evening of the day,
既にガス病となっている事が多い為です。
It is because it is already a gas disease=oxigen burn in many cases.

夏場の青水には、十分に注意して下さい。
Be fully careful of 青水=green water of summer.

青苔の効果
The effect of 青苔=Carpet alge

●青苔そのものの効果として
- As the effect of the 青苔=Carpet alge itself

・動物性プランクトンの生育の場となる。
- It becomes a place of growth of animal plankton.
・豊富な蛋白質やミネラルを含む天然飼料となる。
- It becomes the natural feed containing abundant protein and minerals.
・運動促進効果がある。（青苔を食べる際にあちらこちらと泳ぐ結果。）
- There is the movement promotion effect. (Result in which it swims with here and there in case 青苔=Carpet alge is eaten.)
・体調維持の効果がある。
- There is an effect of condition maintenance.
・色揚げの効果がある。
- There is an effect of colour[色揚げ].
・肉瘤の発達促進効果がある。
- There is the development promotion effect of head=肉瘤.
・横幅の成長促進効果がある。
- There is the growth promotion effect of breadth.
・保護色によって体色が濃くなる効果がある。
- It is effective in the color of the body becoming deep by protective coloring.

※青水にある「摂食抑制効果」「運動抑制効果」「水温保持効果」は少ない。
* There are "摂食ingestion control effects" in 青水=green water , "movement control effects", and "few water temperature maintenance effects."
※保護色の為に炭を混ぜた黒いタタキ池をお使いの愛好家もおられる。
* the black chopped raw fish which mixed charcoal for protective coloring -- usage's lover is also broken in a pond.


８,　品評会と青苔
8, A competitive show and 青苔=Carpet alge

青水の代わりとして非常に大切。
Very important as a substitute of 青水=green water .

青苔での飼育は青水とは正反対の運動促進効果がある事、
Breeding by 青苔=Carpet alge is that there is the opposite movement facilitatory effect of 青水=green water ,
青水よりも摂食抑制効果が少ない事、濃い青水と同程度の色揚げ効果がある事から、
From that there are few ingestion control effects than 青水=green water , and there being the 色揚げ=colour effect comparable as deep 青水=green water ,
魚の色揚げを行いながら縦方向に成長させる事が出来ると言えます。
It can be said to be being able to make it grow up to be a lengthwise direction, performing 色揚げ=colour effect of a fish.

しかし青苔ばかりに拘って青水を使用しない飼育を行うと成長が加速され過ぎ、
However, if breeding which adheres only to 青苔=Carpet alge and does not use 青水=green water is performed, growth will be accelerated too much,
背の鱗並びが荒くなってしまう結果となりますので注意が必要です。
Since the scale row of the back results in becoming rude, cautions are required.
上手に青水と組み合わせ、成長を絶妙にコントロールする事が大切です。
It is important to combine with 青水=green water well and to control growth exquisitely.

色揚げについては私の経験上、最も効果をもたらすのが、
About 色揚げ=colour effect, bringing about an effect most on my experience,
しっかりと青苔が生えている池で濃い青水を使用して飼育する方法で、
It is how to breed in the pond in which 青苔=Carpet alge has grown firmly using deep 青水=green water ,
１～２週間程度で魚の体色は見違えるものとなります。
The color of the body of a fish is taken in about one to two weeks.

※褪色時に色揚げの飼育をしておかないと、上記の方法でも色が揚がらない事がある。
* Unless it breeds 色揚げ=colour effect at the time of 褪色=colour change, a color may not be fried by the above-mentioned method, either.


Cheers,
Vincent.

[chinaryukin]

Vincent,

Thanks very much.
But I don't really understand most of the translation.

Cheers

[chochiss]

wah...everybody turning into gf sifu already ar?? tabik!!

[chinaryukin]

Originally Posted by chochiss

wah...everybody turning into gf sifu already ar?? tabik!!

hey chochiss,

long time no hear thing from u.
how's your marine tank project?
what happened to your goldfish?

me and most of us here are on job learning to keep and groom japanese ranchus. so far okey...alot more suprises and things to learn. why not you join us?

cheers

[chochiss]

Originally Posted by chinaryukin

hey chochiss,

long time no hear thing from u.
how's your marine tank project?
what happened to your goldfish?

me and most of us here are on job learning to keep and groom japanese ranchus. so far okey...alot more suprises and things to learn. why not you join us?

cheers

marine ok only la....it's a FOWLR (fish only with live rock) maintaining on just live rock & bio filter only. no test test water all....nothing complex done so far very good.

my gf ar? still around but no time to care for them as got tonnes of work to complete within this year to the end of next year! thinkin of giving away my gfs....wah....jap ranchu ar?? need a good & secure pond with zen garden to enjoys these fishes wor......

[Pilik-Palak]

Originally Posted by chinaryukin

P'Palak,
Why very quite? How's your ranchus?
When r u going for Ipoh Visit?

Cheers,

Hi Chinaryukin,

sorry for very late reply .very buzy these day,hardly on the site .morning and night time all goes to water change.

Damn,
shouldn't do spawn this year.
Anyways,
what had done is done....so in the moment just let those babies goldfish grow up and see what will comes out.

My ranchus is o.k and just let my friend free and snap the photo and show .

About the trip ,going after raya ...wanna join us?.cheers.

[NaganoLiewKun]

Dear brothers, we will join the Aquafair Malaysia 2006 on 16-19 Nov' 2006 in KLCC. We will be there to promote this hobbies and need u guys to support and join us. I will inform u guys when i have futher info.

[Ryan]

Hi Everyone,
Wah, this link has been quiet for a while.

Please find update of my ranchu as per Oct 1st week.

[chinaryukin]

Woow Ryan,

Love your ranchu, tremendous wen growth. Head shaping very nice.
Well done man!!!!! I really need to visit you when i got time.
I'm busy. anyway my ranchu look the same as previous photos i send. Not much progress to update.
What's your feeding timing? Any tips that you can share with us?
I hope you don't mind!!!

Cheers,