Wakins

[Pilik-Palak]

Originally Posted by menghun

first i think you should think of the size of the pond. Koi can grow more than 2 ft......and the depth of your pond also.......must at least 4 ft for koi keeping.....

chinaryukin,
totally agree what had menghun said.
IMO,just keep goldfish in ur upcomming pond and some time we must think of the boy-boy and girl-girl oso.The lower the better and safer.Just stick to the goldfish instate.Hv fun..

[menghun]

Originally Posted by Pilik-Palak

chinaryukin,
totally agree what had menghun said.
IMO,just keep goldfish in ur upcomming pond and some time we must think of the boy-boy and girl-girl oso.The lower the better and safer.Just stick to the goldfish instate.Hv fun..

yup...a pond with just 1/5 of the size of a normal koi pond, already more than enough for you to keep a jumbo size goldfish. Of course if you still wanna try on koi, just go ahead...

[chochiss]

Originally Posted by chinaryukin

Koi and wakin are top view fishes, suited for keeping in pond.
Very similar, but no other fish can beat the redness on wakin.
Kohaku koi also very popular among koi lovers.

So if i just planning for or wanna start a new pond, which fish is best?
Kohaku koi or Wakin or Jikin or other goldfish?

Friend,

Maintaining a koi pond is not easy, costly as well. I've been toy-ing wid it recently. Selected some tategoi - showas mainly.

Keeping kohaku will be also somethin that consumes a lot of time. If get juveniles, patterns will change. Get adult, we won't part wid a large portion of $$$$$$$

[menghun]

Originally Posted by chochiss

Friend,

Maintaining a koi pond is not easy, costly as well. I've been toy-ing wid it recently. Selected some tategoi - showas mainly.

Keeping kohaku will be also somethin that consumes a lot of time. If get juveniles, patterns will change. Get adult, we won't part wid a large portion of $$$$$$$

agree with chochiss....tategoi means yearling fish with potential to turn out a very beautiful koi.....a tategoi is just like an ugly duckling.....maybe very ugly at juve...but when adult......wow......sui.......so this is the amazing part of koi keeping...especially u can observe the changes of the koi....u will get the satisfaction when u see ur ugly duckling become a beautiful swan..... and of course...the price will be sky high......a good quality tategoi from a famous koi farm from Japan will cost u up to few million yen......

[chinaryukin]

We/I need justification to decide "go fr goldfish" or instead "koi"
I agree and to me offcourse it's GF i'll be going for, unless somebody can justify koi is a better choice.
Factors are:
1) Cost of livestock
2) Pond size and cost of setup
3) Lifespan of fish
4) Mantenance difficuly & cost
5) others?

Please give inputs and comment!!!

[menghun]

Originally Posted by chinaryukin

We/I need justification to decide "go fr goldfish" or instead "koi"
I agree and to me offcourse it's GF i'll be going for, unless somebody can justify koi is a better choice.
Factors are:
1) Cost of livestock
2) Pond size and cost of setup
3) Lifespan of fish
4) Mantenance difficuly & cost
5) others?

Please give inputs and comment!!!

well this is my 1 cent opinion of ur questions:
1) Cost of livestock
Normally ppl likes to keep yearling koi (around 20~30cm).Like what i said just now, koi keeping is to appreciate the process changed of the koi. In order to achieve this, a good quality tategoi from a famous farm is very improtant because for koi, bloodline will majorly determine the quality of the koi. In short.. BLOODLINE 50%, WATER QUALITY 30% and KOI FOOD 20%....
So quality tategoi from famous farm doesn't come cheap. At least a few thousand RM for a single piece.

2) Pond size and cost of setup
A basic pond size of a koi pond, i think should be 10ft length, 5ft width & 4ft depth. For this kind of pond size, you can easily keep koi until 60cm. If you want to have jumbo size koi (80cm and above), you must double the size of the pond. For the cost, not very sure. Must consult the professional.

3) Lifespan of fish
At least 10 years.

4) Maintenance difficuly & cost
Maintenance is mainly on the WC just like you keep other fish. But for this issue, i think this is not a very big issue as for a standard koi pond, there will be a settlement chamber in the filter chamber. So every day, u just flush out the waste from the settlement chamber and top up the water level only. And for the filter media, maybe u just have to clean it once a month. For other cost, maybe u will have an increased TNB bill because a koi pond need a very good aeratation. Normal air pump will not fit. U must need some Hi-blow pumps. And also and increased Indah Water bill.

Mainy all the reply is on the koi side because i am not so familiar with goldfish. If you need more info, can go to www.koi.com.my.

cheers..

[mybirdshit]

Originally Posted by menghun

agree with chochiss....tategoi means yearling fish with potential to turn out a very beautiful koi.....a tategoi is just like an ugly duckling.....maybe very ugly at juve...but when adult......wow......sui.......so this is the amazing part of koi keeping...especially u can observe the changes of the koi....u will get the satisfaction when u see ur ugly duckling become a beautiful swan..... and of course...the price will be sky high......a good quality tategoi from a famous koi farm from Japan will cost u up to few million yen......

Err...true that tategoi are koi with potential to improve to be better in the future, however it doe not only apply to young koi. There are tategoi that are 10 years old or a bit more as well. Often koi entered into competitions in Japan to compete for Grand Champion are more than 5 years old minimum, and I read that it is common for 10 years old or more fish to be entered as well.

[chinaryukin]

What about factors for TOPVIEW GOLDFISH as compared to KOI?

[Pilik-Palak]

Originally Posted by chinaryukin

What about factors for TOPVIEW GOLDFISH as compared to KOI?

Around thousand years where most of the goldfish were keep in pond and I think the double tails history just around five hundred years.When the first triple tails goldfish found ,the chinese took this fish and inbreed with other goldfish that hv same finnage.

As chinese always searching for something unic of the freak!!,they found that the double tails and open tails is the most beautiful since most goldfish keep in bowl or pond.The reason is that to see the open double tails they must look at top.More pleasing when the fish swim from top.

About the koi ...no idea...

[chinaryukin]

Hi to all,

Waa...this forum are becoming very-very quit lo!!!
Seems like there are no more interest on goldfish forum, everybody busy with work, some busy with girlfriend, some on holidays, some busy caring for their fishes.

Here are some photos, update on my wakins after i have them for about 2 weeks. Photos taken during water change, i did it after work today. They have been kept in greenwater, feed with Saki Hikari Growth Booster type (for koi) and frozen blood worm.