TVR Batch 2007

[yeemiau]

Some update from my side,

One hour feeding of approximately 15 grams of bloodworm for 6 of them and rest for 1 hour, 4 times a day and last meal is 30 minutes of pallets.

Attached first photo is about 1 week ago. The second one is taken this morning, it is not well taken. Will load more recent photo later.

Cheers

[chinaryukin]

Hi to all,

Fish age: 2 months + 19 days (approximately)
In hand: almost 2 months

My current feeding follows as recommended by Sifu; 1 hour feeding BW follow 1 hour break. 4 feedings between 6am - 12noon. No feeding on Waterchange day.

[chinaryukin]

All have completed skin/color change:

Comment are most welcome, thanks.

[chinaryukin]

A few pcs have shown nice cheek development, one ps (in photo) has got wen build-up on the head.

[chinaryukin]

Hi Sifu and all,

It seems that the white pcs are too slow on developing the cheek and head shape. Any advice and idea how to boost it to catch up with the red ranchus! Can I split them in other tank with prolong period on green carpet algae, to allow them graze on the green carpet longer,, without BW. Have any guys tried this, is it working?

Thanks in advance. Cheers,

[yeemiau]

Dear Cr,

White ones are known to be more difficult to develop wen. It is not encouraged to split them into smaller groups. If i were you, I'll keep concentrate on the good ones and develop them . What i mean develop them is to concentrate the effort on the better ones; schedule water change, feeding rate, green water/clear water, carpet algae, etc. The rest will develop as well along the process but priority will be given to the better ones. Also, act as companion.

In Japan, 99.9% of the people who breed Ranchu will seek for only 1-2 good piece, the rest of the fish will be their companion or potential breeding parent fish. Commercial breeders will say something else. In general, what we aim to achieve on the fish that we presently have, is to get the best out of the group. But it all depending on what you actually want. If someone hoping to get 10 out of 10 perfect fish, that'll be impossible cos in average, I 'm just guessing, it'll take almost 100,000 or more babies to pick one AJRS competition qualified fish, if lucky.

What we have here is 80-100 fish out of 3000. the chance is quite slim, in my opinion. What we can do is to get the best out of a few of them and enjoy their development.

My motive for this year is a little different with others. I pick all the long bodies. It is very difficult to get a nice shape out of them cos of their body length as well as the distance between the belly and tail is great. All of them is not nice and according to Jap standard, they'll be sold off as general grade ranchu for general hobbyist. I wanted to polish up my skill so I took them in. My fish's body structural foundation and proportion is not as good as you all have but it is a challenge to me to groom the fish to be the better ones. So, you guys have to work hard and don't let me catch up... hehehhe... feeling some pressure?

Cheers.

[chinaryukin]

Originally Posted by yeemiau

In Japan, 99.9% of the people who breed Ranchu will seek for only 1-2 good piece, the rest of the fish will be their companion or potential breeding parent fish. Commercial breeders will say something else. In general, what we aim to achieve on the fish that we presently have, is to get the best out of the group. But it all depending on what you actually want. If someone hoping to get 10 out of 10 perfect fish, that'll be impossible cos in average, I 'm just guessing, it'll take almost 100,000 or more babies to pick one AJRS competition qualified fish, if lucky.

What we have here is 80-100 fish out of 3000. the chance is quite slim, in my opinion.

How do we know, at this stage, that there is any good piece within the group.
What are the criteria/specs (at this stage) to measure within my group to qualify (if any) as the very rare good piece.
Also good if can show photo (at this age) of the previous good piece for our comparison, and how it look at adult stage.

Plenty of thanks, again and again...

[yeemiau]

CR,

Honestly, none of us (the Ipoh group) is not good enough to tell what the potential is. What we can do is eliminate the bad pieces which has obvious deformations. This is only our 3rd year keeping ranchu. There're still thousand and one things we need to learn. Some fish might be very appealing to us but it is a total failure to old hands and some, we might say it is an ugly one yet they shown interest. The old hands has something we still don't have.

Like our sensei told us, with his many many years of experiences, we can't learn it overnight. At this stage, we polish up our skill and slowly, we'll know what we want. The Ipoh fellas (except me, I only join occasionally.) always gather for kopi session and discuss non-stop on grooming issues. This is the way we improve. Try out multiple methods and share it with others. Eventually, we'll learn from the experience.

For this case, everyone can choose the most balanced fish to bring home. But in actual fact, is it the right fish to pick? only for those with years of experience can tell. Not forgetting that, Ranchu is known to have 7 changes is its' whole process of growing up. What are the 7 changes, our sensei didn't tell us, it is up to us to find out. So, possible, there'll be many ugly duckling hanging around. For those which has deformations, definitely will be culled off. What's left behind is like a normal blank piece of paper. The art work we put on it will only define if the piece of paper is a good piece of artwork. About THE RARE SUPER RANCHU that you are referring to, is just another piece of high quality blank paper. So, in my opinion, it still need our skill to groom it to a masterpiece. For example, what we are having, it's like photocopy quality A4 paper that we use in office. And the ultimate ranchu might be some kinda of photo printing paper. If we put them in a old dot matrix 9DPI printer... you can imagine what's the result on comparison.

So, in short, don't mind the paper but upgrade the printer. Along the way, paper you choose will be in better quality cos you already know all about your printer. And, none of our printer is the same model, so choosing technique might be quite different.

Fact:
One master cull off some ranchu and another master took some home and groom it to be a champion.

Why?
Cos their have different printer and those paper does not suit the former but it is compatible to the other.

So,
It is all up to you on what you pick cos you know yourself best. If there's 2 photo printing paper given to you but choose one only. Both USD100/piece, almost the same spec. Both has strength and weakness, only if you know your printer well, you can make the right choice.

Therefore,
To explore what I have, I picked all long bodies see what I can do. Maybe next year, I'll take the medium/short bodies. Another year later, I only might know what I actually want. Time will tell. Patience is one of the essence that win you a game in the Ranchu world.....


Cheers.

[yeemiau]

Another reference,

About one famous young breeder in Japan.

He breed his ranchu and raise them in a 6' x 6' pond. Along the way, from the same pond and from hundreds and thousands of fries, he cull the babies off according to their growth. From 100,000s to 50,000 to 10,000 to 5000 to 1000 to 500 to 200 to 100 to 50 to 40 to 30 to 20....... so on. Eventually, he has about 10-15 fish in each pond. He pick the best of each pond and grooming will be according to what the best fish required as reference for each and every pond. the rest will be the "king of the pond's" companion. Lastly, he'll pick the best out from each pond and choose the best of the best for competition.

Target:
Only ONE fish out of a million.

[chinaryukin]

Originally Posted by yeemiau

Another reference,

About one famous young breeder in Japan.

He breed his ranchu and raise them in a 6' x 6' pond. Along the way, from the same pond and from hundreds and thousands of fries, he cull the babies off according to their growth. From 100,000s to 50,000 to 10,000 to 5000 to 1000 to 500 to 200 to 100 to 50 to 40 to 30 to 20....... so on. Eventually, he has about 10-15 fish in each pond. He pick the best of each pond and grooming will be according to what the best fish required as reference for each and every pond. the rest will be the "king of the pond's" companion. Lastly, he'll pick the best out from each pond and choose the best of the best for competition.

Target:
Only ONE fish out of a million.

Hi Yeemiau,

Thanks a lot for long explaination.

About the story, at the end did his best of the best won the competition? I really hope his effort was worth since winning is his main reason to go through all the hard work.

Sorry for asking silly question, it feel odd not knowing the end of the story, sad or happy ending?

Cheers,