TVR Batch 2007

[yeemiau]

Originally Posted by chinaryukin

I believe the curent objective is to push the stomach shape while naturally increasing their size. Shape is the main aim, not just the size.

We need to balance things up here. If you think the shape the of stomach is developing well but other area need to improve. Which mean the shape is "going" out of balance. Therefore, you'll need to slow down on what you're doing and spend more effort on other area. Make sure all area is develop inline.

Say, for judging points. Head 25% Body 25% Tail 25% and Swimming 25%. You only strike well on the body and make good score. yet other area might pull the points down. Therefore, need to work on other area too.

Now, what you do now with 7 days Water change technique, you'll sacrifice one more day of feeding blood worm and give them more time to chew on carpet algae. Therefore, head development will be improved. Nevertheless, body still develops but slower and let other area to catch up.

Another note,
If you see your fish swimming everywhere and tail seems weakening (Looks soft, Heavy folding, etc.). Reduce the carpet algae surface area. So, during normal days. they'll tend to stay around the algae spot. To have further control of their amount of swimming, place a piece of board (reasonable size, not too small) on top of the tank and create some sort of small shade; say, 1/3 to 1/4 of the tank surface area. Believe it or not, they'll spend at least 60-70% of their time there (except sleeping).

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[eu71my]

Originally Posted by yeemiau

Eu,

More blood worm would be nice. What is the space of your tank?

Cheers.

My tube size is 3'x2'x1.5'

My fish don't eat much, only 3 cube BW per feed.

regards
eu

[yeemiau]

Originally Posted by eu71my

My tube size is 3'x2'x1.5'

My fish don't eat much, only 3 cube BW per feed.

regards
eu

Eu,

I think you need bigger space soon cos it is getting small for 10 fishes. It will affect the growth and water turn bad quite easily. (as I assume 10cm water depth as standard)

!.5' is a little high. Suggest to get something lower and it'll cost you cheaper. It affect (a little) on the ventilation.

About time to see see look look everywhere to hunt for bargain.

At 90 days old, It is suggest to have 1 meter square for 10 fish.

I'll be standing by my 4'x5' x 1' tank to use in End Aug. and Sometime in Nov/Dec, I'll split the fish in 2 4'x5' (5 each. Depending on their development. You don't have to follow my utilisation of space cos my case is a little extreme.

Cheers.

[chinaryukin]

Eu,

Totally agree with what recommended by Yeemiau. Their development is affected by tank size and water depth.

I saw new 4' blue plastic tub selling RM180 without filter box (before nego). U don't need the filter box for keeping TVR.

If u want used tub, try this:
WTS - 4x2.5x1.5 Poly Tub- Cheap!!

Good luck,

[eu71my]

Originally Posted by yeemiau

Eu,

I think you need bigger space soon cos it is getting small for 10 fishes. It will affect the growth and water turn bad quite easily. (as I assume 10cm water depth as standard)

!.5' is a little high. Suggest to get something lower and it'll cost you cheaper. It affect (a little) on the ventilation.

About time to see see look look everywhere to hunt for bargain.

At 90 days old, It is suggest to have 1 meter square for 10 fish.

I'll be standing by my 4'x5' x 1' tank to use in End Aug. and Sometime in Nov/Dec, I'll split the fish in 2 4'x5' (5 each. Depending on their development. You don't have to follow my utilisation of space cos my case is a little extreme.

Cheers.

Thanks for advise. I will start to look for custom make fgt. I prefer tub size 6'x3'x1' as my balcony can fit this size nicely. If anyone know frp fabricator in Klang valley, pls let me know.

regards
eu

[yeemiau]

Originally Posted by eu71my

Thanks for advise. I will start to look for custom make fgt. I prefer tub size 6'x3'x1' as my balcony can fit this size nicely. If anyone know frp fabricator in Klang valley, pls let me know.

regards
eu

3'x6' is very common but normally comes with 2' height. Well, if you don't mind, I think there'll be many 2nd hand ones around the market. Since (I assume) your balcony has wall and more or less it will block some wind. So, 2' or 1' does't make much difference. Or you can ask someone to cut it down for you. Then, you'll saves, i guess, half the cost or more. cos custom made ones will be very expensive especially the fabricator does not have the mold. Most important thing is, it must have a bottom drain. That makes your water change and cleaning so much easier. I drain and clean my 4'x5' less than 5 min. Cos it has a 2" bottom drain.

hope it helps.

Maybe you can snap a pic of your balcony and we can throw some idea in for you.


Cheers.

[chinaryukin]

Originally Posted by yeemiau

I'll be standing by my 4'x5' x 1' tank to use in End Aug. and Sometime in Nov/Dec, I'll split the fish in 2 4'x5' (5 each. Depending on their development. You don't have to follow my utilisation of space cos my case is a little extreme.

Hi Yeemiau,

This is about spliting the fishes into two separate tanks.
It seems that my fishes can be group into by their development.
For example 1 group (mostly white headed) having poor head develoment and the other group developing head much better.
When the time is wright (not now) I'm thinking to split them into 2 tanks so I can concentrate to boost/develop each group's weaknesses.

The time will be soon, when their (10pcs) size and numbers are too big for current tank 3'x2'. Each group split off 5 pcs in 3'x2' tank.

Is this plan ok?

[chinaryukin]

Originally Posted by yeemiau

We need to balance things up here. If you think the shape the of stomach is developing well but other area need to improve. Which mean the shape is "going" out of balance. Therefore, you'll need to slow down on what you're doing and spend more effort on other area. Make sure all area is develop inline.

Say, for judging points. Head 25% Body 25% Tail 25% and Swimming 25%. You only strike well on the body and make good score. yet other area might pull the points down. Therefore, need to work on other area too.

Yeemiau & Nagano,

Big question mark to newbee like myself is "what is the balance tvr", how does it look like at this stage? as u said earlier it is quit subjective to personnal liking. But as I am new to tvr, not much exposure to this "alien" goldfish I have no idea what is the balance that I am suppose to work for....really not sure which way to work towards. A "blind" like me may consider chubby stomach as good development but instead it is a big failure in tvr perspective.
If we have 'benchmark' to compare to then only we may see the level of achivement on each area (head, body, tail & swimming). So how can I judge the fishes' formation?
Maybe should start with some photos of champions.....it may help.

Another eg. How does a champion tvr swim (at this stage/age). I have no idea.
More exposure and information will really help giving better idea for most of us.

Plenty of Thanks.

[yeemiau]

Originally Posted by chinaryukin

Hi Yeemiau,

This is about spliting the fishes into two separate tanks.
It seems that my fishes can be group into by their development.
For example 1 group (mostly white headed) having poor head develoment and the other group developing head much better.
When the time is wright (not now) I'm thinking to split them into 2 tanks so I can concentrate to boost/develop each group's weaknesses.

The time will be soon, when their (10pcs) size and numbers are too big for current tank 3'x2'. Each group split off 5 pcs in 3'x2' tank.

Is this plan ok?

Dear Cr,

You may give it a go but splitting them at this age will be more difficult to handle. eg harder to trigger their appetite, less brave, etc.

Cheers.