TVR Batch 2007

[yeemiau]

Originally Posted by chinaryukin

Yeemiau & Nagano,

Big question mark to newbee like myself is "what is the balance tvr", how does it look like at this stage? as u said earlier it is quit subjective to personnal liking. But as I am new to tvr, not much exposure to this "alien" goldfish I have no idea what is the balance that I am suppose to work for....really not sure which way to work towards. A "blind" like me may consider chubby stomach as good development but instead it is a big failure in tvr perspective.
If we have 'benchmark' to compare to then only we may see the level of achivement on each area (head, body, tail & swimming). So how can I judge the fishes' formation?
Maybe should start with some photos of champions.....it may help.

Another eg. How does a champion tvr swim (at this stage/age). I have no idea.
More exposure and information will really help giving better idea for most of us.

Plenty of Thanks.

It'll be difficult for us to relay how it should be and we too refer to reference from the net. On and off, we discuss, if there's question, we ask sensei. A ranchu workshop will helps a lot. At the beginning, refer to the internet will be sufficient cos you'll have a guideline how others fish develop. Nevertheless, experience plays a big part in this issue.

Try the following link and simply click around and you'll find no less then 1000 tosai pictures.

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hope it helps.

thanks

[chinaryukin]

Originally Posted by yeemiau

Dear Cr,

You may give it a go but splitting them at this age will be more difficult to handle. eg harder to trigger their appetite, less brave, etc.

Cheers.

It will not be now. OK, I'll keep them together to the maximum period as long as the tank size can hold them. I'll get advise when the time is on, when their size are too big for the tank.

Thanks,

[Pilik-Palak]

Just for ur refrence..Ozeki Kuroko this years...

Ozeki Kurroko 2007

Can u see the diffrence?..

[chinaryukin]

Hi to all,

The different is so obvious, compare to my group.
The biggest part is the peduncle. No a single pc of mine have got a good thick peduncle like those "benchmark" from japan.

Why? Anything that I have wrongly done. Or is this happening to all other keeper (not just my pcs)?

I believe it is due to the genetic! If it's so, I hope there is a method/technic to develop the peduncle.

Thanks again and again,

[yeemiau]

Originally Posted by chinaryukin

Hi to all,

The different is so obvious, compare to my group.
The biggest part is the peduncle. No a single pc of mine have got a good thick peduncle like those "benchmark" from japan.

Why? Anything that I have wrongly done. Or is this happening to all other keeper (not just my pcs)?

I believe it is due to the genetic! If it's so, I hope there is a method/technic to develop the peduncle.

Thanks again and again,

Don't worry so much. No one said that peduncle has to be as thick as possible. Do you think thick peduncle can flex better or slimmer ones? It's thinner but it is not weaker. Also, I have not met with one Japanese judge that says a thick peduncle will score a point. Don't get me wrong, thick or thin peduncle, it is a matter of fractional difference. Doesn't mean thick is bad and thin is good. The balance of the fish is most important.

The balance is what we aim for and don't worry on one single spot. Also, you are right about the genetic of the fish. And, I don't think it is a weakness, but is it a strength? I can't comment on this yet. As long as we get reasonable thickness, we'll be ok. (As long as it not as thin as China fish's peduncles...) It will grow together with the body shape.

As picture shown, the winner has thinner peduncle than thicker peduncle fishes. Why? Cos it is the best balanced fish. (Pics taken from Sensei's webpage)

Does peduncle score you points in competition? No, is the answer. What you saw in the webpages is for reference on study focusing on balance of the fish. The more you see, the more you'll have better picture what it should be. Along the way, please raise question just like what you've done.

Hope it clears your doubt


Cheers.

[yeemiau]

We are being invited to have a Introduction + workshop + discussion on Japanese Ranchu. First class venue, newly built Perak State Government Building is being provided. We would like to know is there anyone will be interested.

Time and date is not fixed yet depending on the respond and it will be set according to majority participant's suggestion.

Fee will be zero except for your own transport and toll money. People who has Japanese Ranchu, it is highly encouraged to bring your own fish in for discussion. We'll take care of the air pump, tank and oxygen for your return trip's packing.

Vincent and I will take turn for explanations.

Please PM me if interested (please includes available date and time). Any question please post in public so everyone will know more.

p/s sorry for hijacking the thread.

[chinaryukin]

Thanks Yeemiau.
I gez the peduncle area will look thicker from topview when that part of tail bend/fold more....then the thin part is kind of folded (and hidden). (check the last photo below)

Here are some photos taken this afternoon;

[chinaryukin]

Originally Posted by yeemiau

We are being invited to have a Introduction + workshop + discussion on Japanese Ranchu. First class venue, newly built Perak State Government Building is being provided. We would like to know is there anyone will be interested.

Time and date is not fixed yet depending on the respond and it will be set according to majority participant's suggestion.

Fee will be zero except for your own transport and toll money. People who has Japanese Ranchu, it is highly encouraged to bring your own fish in for discussion. We'll take care of the air pump, tank and oxygen for your return trip's packing.

Vincent and I will take turn for explanations.

Please PM me if interested (please includes available date and time). Any question please post in public so everyone will know more.

p/s sorry for hijacking the thread.

Hi Yeemiau,

Bravo! bravo! bravo!

Yes, I'm interested to join in this workshop.

I'd prefer it to be on sunday morning. 7am-9am from KL-Ipoh. Start at 10am...i donno how long it will take.

I need some days is possible a week notice, to talk and soften my wife about it. Realy hope the date & time doest not clash/overlap with other family things.

Cheers,

[eu71my]

Originally Posted by chinaryukin

Hi Yeemiau,

Bravo! bravo! bravo!

Yes, I'm interested to join in this workshop.

I'd prefer it to be on sunday morning. 7am-9am from KL-Ipoh. Start at 10am...i donno how long it will take.

I need some days is possible a week notice, to talk and soften my wife about it. Realy hope the date & time doest not clash/overlap with other family things.

Cheers,

Hahaha,

Same to me, i also have family things to do. For me i prefer Saturday, sorry brother.

I can easily persuade my wife to go Ipoh as there are plenty good food!!
During my last Ipoh trip, my family enjoy very much the Ipoh Dim Sum, they looking forward for next trip.

cheers

[chinaryukin]

Hi Yeemiau and Nagano,

This is just an idea.

Instead of bringing our pc of tvr, can I/we take pc from Nagano's group of the same batch. If ok I'd luv to take few pcs back to KL. Ha! Ha! Ha!

Please consider this. I'm hoping for +ve answer.

Thanks again and again.