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Old 06-10-2005, 10:36 PM
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heh i am not sifu yet.Still a learner.currently have no special strain guppy on hand.I have only 5 guppies.Plan to get more once i attend the guppy fan club gathering on 23rd october.

(This falls in the inbreeding section)
F1 means the first generation born from the original parents(where the parents have no relation at all).
F2 means second generation involves between the son and daughter(close relation).
F3 means thirdd generation involves between the son's son with daughter(close relation)
and so on.

Outcross means there is no relation between the guppies.Hm.. where u from? just wonder how u get those female albinos.I been lookin around in kl and found none.U can actually mix them but make sure dont overdo or else it will produce weak offspring also.

u may still get some healthy fish which able to grow full size.But as u further on(F4 below),the number of weak fish would increase.Most of the weak fish wont be able to grow full size and some might not even grow and stay at the fry stage after 1 month.


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Old 07-10-2005, 09:12 AM
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Wah Vincor you sooooo active during night time. So many post already.....

Well about the F generation, it was actually more than F4. Well let's do some F tracking tutorial. It's good to start a tracking system so you can identify your progress and when you're good enough maybe you can recognised the impeding problem like deformities and when to outcross. How to keep several related lines for out/linecrossing purposes.

When you pair up a guppy for breeding, the are called the parents. Therefore for the ease of recording, they only used abbreviations i.e P. The offsrings of these pair of P is called F1 meaning 1st filial generation/filial generation 1 however you put it. However when you are conducting line crossing from father to daughter/mother to son, there offsprings are not F2. Here things are a little complicated. So I'm not touching on that. F2 is actually the offsprings of F1 meaning you breed a F1 male to a F1 female. Hence produces F2 and this goes on to Fxx.

There's a calculation to determine how many generations/Fs can be produced from a different strain of parents because if your guppies breeds true most likely it's not the original parents maybe the 5th of 6th...... You have to ask the breeder about this. Even then the breeder himself got it from somewhere which will push you down further. However when you start your recording you always record as the new P. Other information are useful because you'll know when to expect the abnormalities will begin. Anyway I can't find the formula for calculation but they have calculated it's more than 10 if I've not mistaken before the need for an outcrossing procedure. But when you breed to different strain together then you're definitely the parent, P which I advise against because mostly like we are not sure what we're doing.

OK enough of my morning babbling. So sifu's any thing to add/comment. I might be wrong ya know.

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Old 07-10-2005, 11:34 AM
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vincor..u arelooking for albino females?i've bought them before from 88 aquarium..but they seldom have them..so..keep an eye on them..for ur info they hav a tank of albino males for sale now..and i saw 1 fellow with ribbon inside..go check it out..

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Old 07-10-2005, 12:58 PM
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vincor..u arelooking for albino females?i've bought them before from 88 aquarium..but they seldom have them..so..keep an eye on them..for ur info they hav a tank of albino males for sale now..and i saw 1 fellow with ribbon inside..go check it out..
Saw their albino males. Not very satisfactory looking. So didn't buy any. Anyway they have quite alot of equipments and fish feed. Price wise cheaper than Petworld @ IKEA & Taman Megah. The things there are super expensive. For the same fish feed, Petworld sells @ least RM2-3 more than 88. But of course 88 is not the cheapest place to get your supply,

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Old 07-10-2005, 03:22 PM
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there are 3 marine 88 now. which marine 88 branch u refer to. It's impossible to be in subang cause i went there just yesterday. No sign of albinos.Yeap i am a nocturnal ^_^. Because of the late assignments i have to hand in, so in the end i cant sleep and go online to forums lol..

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Old 07-10-2005, 03:28 PM
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im refering to ss15..u din see the whole tank of albinos?

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Old 07-10-2005, 03:43 PM
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im refering to ss15..u din see the whole tank of albinos?
Huh when did you go? Unless it's this morning/afternoon. Then vincor must have missed it.

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Old 07-10-2005, 04:25 PM
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i went there yesterday afternoon..before my futsal..i think they just arrived..but no females..

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Old 07-10-2005, 07:52 PM
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i'm from klang....i found the albinos in 1 of the lbs in klang

but i dunno what to call that place ....its located at the city center of klang

i'm going tonight again to find more guppies there cos from many many guppies that i bought from all lbs.....it is the healthiest guppy!!!!

others will just die in a few days....but the guppies from this lbs seems swimming happily so i think its not my tank nor my water problem...

i have neon tetra n lamp eyes also n they r also very healthy

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Old 07-10-2005, 10:48 PM
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if u are going back to the shop again. Help me get the contact of the shop so i can go down to check their stock.

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